More problems?

[rudolph_hucker]

Those who do nothing are the ones who are burying their heads in the sand here, not those buying shares and seasons tickets to improve the club's cash flow.

Far, far from it MD....I'd like nothing more than to be able to do my bit financially but I simply cannot afford to pay out for Season Tickets, shares or donations. I'm not burying my head in the sand at all, the money isn't there, end of.

Some people haven't the luxury of a couple of hundred pounds laying around. Its unbelievable how many people think that we all live in million pound land, I will continue to pay for my games as I have always done, thats by paying at the gate game by game. Does that mean the clubs finacial survival rests on MY shoulders?
I will help where I can but I am NOT prepared to just throw my hard earned money away on anything, no matter how much I love the club.

[Mad Dog]

Those who do nothing are the ones who are burying their heads in the sand here, not those buying shares and seasons tickets to improve the club's cash flow.

Far, far from it MD....I'd like nothing more than to be able to do my bit financially but I simply cannot afford to pay out for Season Tickets, shares or donations. I'm not burying my head in the sand at all, the money isn't there, end of.

Some people haven't the luxury of a couple of hundred pounds laying around. Its unbelievable how many people think that we all live in million pound land, I will continue to pay for my games as I have always done, thats by paying at the gate game by game. Does that mean the clubs finacial survival rests on MY shoulders?
I will help where I can but I am NOT prepared to just throw my hard earned money away on anything, no matter how much I love the club.

Read the response I gave at the time (the non quoted bit) before you get overly excited:

http://www.thediamondsforum.co.uk/viewt ... 970#p35970

[rudolph_hucker]

I wasn't aming my (over excited) answer at anybody. its just really starting to piss me off that almost every time I/we log on there is another solution to our problems which normally consists of US digging ever deeper. Well I work almost 70 hours a week, I have a mortgage and other outgoings, I also only get home during the week probably once a fortnight if I'm lucky. Yet I still struggle to find money for luxuries like football/holidays. There is a worldwide recession going on,yet I'm still expected to finance the club with yet another stab to the heart. I love this club and I would hate to see it die (anybody that knows me will verify that) but I'm not going to personally finance them or chuck money at a club that might not use it wisely and see it wasted by Xmas.

So IF you read MY not overly excited reply you'd see that fact.

[Mad Dog]

I wasn't aming my (over excited) answer at anybody. its just really starting to piss me off that almost every time I/we log on there is another solution to our problems which normally consists of US digging ever deeper. Well I work almost 70 hours a week, I have a mortgage and other outgoings, I also only get home during the week probably once a fortnight if I'm lucky. Yet I still struggle to find money for luxuries like football/holidays. There is a worldwide recession going on,yet I'm still expected to finance the club with yet another stab to the heart. I love this club and I would hate to see it die (anybody that knows me will verify that) but I'm not going to personally finance them or chuck money at a club that might not use it wisely and see it wasted by Xmas.

So IF you read MY not overly excited reply you'd see that fact.

Then don't include sections of my posts in a quote when responding in general to a topic so that it looks like a response to my post. Simple as that.

[rudolph_hucker]

I wasn't aming my (over excited) answer at anybody. its just really starting to piss me off that almost every time I/we log on there is another solution to our problems which normally consists of US digging ever deeper. Well I work almost 70 hours a week, I have a mortgage and other outgoings, I also only get home during the week probably once a fortnight if I'm lucky. Yet I still struggle to find money for luxuries like football/holidays. There is a worldwide recession going on,yet I'm still expected to finance the club with yet another stab to the heart. I love this club and I would hate to see it die (anybody that knows me will verify that) but I'm not going to personally finance them or chuck money at a club that might not use it wisely and see it wasted by Xmas.

So IF you read MY not overly excited reply you'd see that fact.

Then don't include sections of my posts in a quote when responding in general to a topic so that it looks like a response to my post. Simple as that.

OK no problem, while we are on the don't. DON'T assume I get overly excited about you, thats even simpler

[Mad Dog]

I wasn't aming my (over excited) answer at anybody. its just really starting to piss me off that almost every time I/we log on there is another solution to our problems which normally consists of US digging ever deeper. Well I work almost 70 hours a week, I have a mortgage and other outgoings, I also only get home during the week probably once a fortnight if I'm lucky. Yet I still struggle to find money for luxuries like football/holidays. There is a worldwide recession going on,yet I'm still expected to finance the club with yet another stab to the heart. I love this club and I would hate to see it die (anybody that knows me will verify that) but I'm not going to personally finance them or chuck money at a club that might not use it wisely and see it wasted by Xmas.

So IF you read MY not overly excited reply you'd see that fact.

Then don't include sections of my posts in a quote when responding in general to a topic so that it looks like a response to my post. Simple as that.

OK no problem, while we are on the don't. DON'T assume I get overly excited about you, thats even simpler

Don't worry, I wasn't.

[Pigman]

Get a room guys ;)

[diamond mad]

I think for most of us there is no right or wrong answer.

Whether we can afford it or not none of us want to throw good money after bad and yet none of us want to see the Club we love go into Administration.

Obviously I have my own issues with the owners but I can relate to most of the posts above and understand most peoples points of view.

Maybe the answer is for somebody to email Steve and ask what the genuine situation is of creditors and debtors. Is this in your remit rushdenman ? Whilst I am sure they would not be prepared to divulge itemised amounts I see no reason why they would not be able or willing to give a total number for both debtors and creditors so maybe that would be able to put peoples minds at rest (or not as the case maybe). At least you would have something to base your decision on.

In the meantime remember all these off the field issues do have a knock on effect on players and management, who all have an amazing spirit of togetherness throughout all of this.

Without the transfer embargo being lifted it causes a major problem for next season. Without the tax being paid the transfer embargo will not be lifted.The misconduct charge is a separate issue completely so don't believe that if there is a positive outcome of that the transfer embargo will be lifted.

[Chammie]

Chammy, the Trust has had next to no influence for over four years. I also seriously doubt that the Trust has the resources to purchase the land off of KC.

That is most certainly not what I was suggesting but clearly in the situation I have described, Keith Cousins would be receptive to an approach made in the right way and there would be a deal to be done.

[rushdenman]

Maybe the answer is for somebody to email Steve and ask what the genuine situation is of creditors and debtors. Is this in your remit rushdenman ? Whilst I am sure they would not be prepared to divulge itemised amounts I see no reason why they would not be able or willing to give a total number for both debtors and creditors so maybe that would be able to put peoples minds at rest (or not as the case maybe). At least you would have something to base your decision on.

Without full access to accounts I don't see any benefit. It would likely be a very brief, sanitised version of the picture which wouldn't tell us much more than we already know.

I presume that you must be reasonably au fait with the situation having been so closely involved until very recently, and I understand that it is not possible for you to discuss too much openly on here bearing in mind your present situation regarding the owners, but I think most of us have picked up from your posts, and other information, that there is no money available, either to clear current debts, or to fund future working capital requirements.
If it were just a case of raising a one-off sum to clear debts and put the club on an even keel going forward I think maybe one or more individuals/organisations might be prepared to take that responsibility on, but it is the future that concerns me even more. I can't see where the neccesary revenue streams are going to come from to sustain a full time club at our level without considerable external backing.
As Government cuts start to really bite I think many clubs at our level, and above, will find it increasingly difficult to survive. I predict that there will need to be a radical shake-up in the structure of the football pyramid over the next 5 years, with many full time clubs moving to part-time, some clubs ceasing to exist, and much more regionalisation of the Leagues.

Football at our level may become stronger at the end of it but it could be a painful journey with quite a few casualties along the way.